Tuesday, August 08, 2006

Some general resume and interview tips for Entry Level People

With a plethora of resume and interview tips out there, I still want to give my two pence in advice to the entry level position seekers out there. We recently hired two interns for the position that I occupied a year-and-a-half ago. I personally went through around 60 resumes and was present at around 15 interviews.

Here are some of the obvious and ridiculous mistakes I came across:


· If you are recycling a cover letter, which I am sure you are, admit it, I did it too, please proof read it ten times and get someone to do it to. Do not send the resume addressed to Mr. X and starting with "Dear Mr. Y..." True story, by the way.

· I can't stress how necessary it is to get someone else to proof read your resume and CL. One of the obvious mistakes I came across is a person taking Marcoeconomics. That's MARCOeconomics!!!

· Make sure the resume is readable and does not irritate the reader by funky design/format. Make sure it is centered, margins are equal and your name is clearly mentioned at the top. Make sure the bullets are aligned for each workplace you were at and each activity you participated in. Also make sure that some of the apostrophes and comas do not turn into blank squares. I don't know exactly why it happens, but I suspect that if a foreign language is installed on the computer it may display these items incorrectly.

· Most importantly, buy/download/borrow Adobe Acrobat, not the reader, but the writer. PDF your resume and cover letter into two separate files. The advantage of pdf format is, I am sure you know, in it being small in size and that it appears exactly how you see it on any screen and operating system. Your resume may align perfectly on your screen in WORD, but my screen can show it completely screwed up. Make the body of the email short and mention that resume and the cover letter are attached. Do not make it too short like "See attached". That's just plain rude.

· Even though people say that sometimes adding stuff that did not really happen, but sounds cool is great for an entry level resume, do not lie!!! Lies are easy to check in today's googlable world and I dismissed a few people just because they said they won the Trading Contest at U of T and a different person was listed as the winner for that same contest and date! Really embarrassing!

· Sure, everyone is a member of Finance Organization, Trading Circle, Consulting Club, participated in Business Plan competitions. Right? Well, don't just mention it. Mention what you did there, what you got out of it and what was so different. Be prepared to talk about it in detail and with passion on the interview. Show that you are knowledgeable, yet different from other knowledgeable people out there. Show entrepreneurial spirit and drive.

This brings us to the interview portion:

· Be able to talk about the relevant books your read. If you read business magazines, frequent websites, attend shows and seminars, talk about them. Show that you can think outside the box. If you like math, which quite a few of our applicants did, tell the interviewer that you like its applications in real life, not just on paper or in the classroom. The best bet is to talk about fictional/historical finance books. Absolute must on your reading list should be Barbarians at the Gate, Liars Poker, When Genius Failed, House of Morgan, Bonfire of the Vanities. The last book is very true about the industry. Read them and even if you are not asked directly the question to talk about the books/publications, fill the silence by talking about it. Which makes another powerful statement:

· Do not let the conversation wind down. One of my bosses liked to stop talking and asking question to see how the person handles silence and how he/she fills it. Albeit mean, shows a lot about the person.

· Most importantly, be able to tell the interviewer why he or she should choose you and not one of twenty other applicants. Responsible, reliable, hard-working etc just does not do it anymore. Give some spice!

· Don’t be nervous. Easily said than done, I know, but it’s not like you’re on death row. The person at the other side of the table is also human and at some point in his/her career was in the same position you are now.

· There are a lot of points of advice to give, most of which are common sense. Treat your resume, cover letter and interview with common sense. Rarely do people ask numerical and tricky questions, at least that I know of. I am sure this happens if you are applying directly for an actuarial position. Investment banking is more social, however, know your shit, don’t lie, be confident and social.

When preparing for my first actuarial/finance interview, I came across one story that someone was asked yesterday’s S&P 500, DJ Industrials, NASDAQ and S&P/TSX Composite closing prices. I started paying a lot of attention to those numbers and, as you may have guessed it, no one really asked me about them. I actually still listen to the radio and memorize those numbers, out of habit, I guess.

I hope some of this helps. If you want to comment/add/critique these points, leave a comment for this post. If you want to drop off your resume at my company for a volunteering position, send me an email. We are always looking for volunteers and co-op students.

Update!
A few more things came to mind after I posted this:
1. If you speak any other languages other than English, make sure you mention this. Corp. fin. companies are always looking for people with this knowledge as most deal with international clients.
2. An almost absolute must is thorough knowledge of Microsoft Office. I know that everyone knows Word, but you also have to intimately know Excel and Powerpoint. If your boss tells you to do something he won't take "I can't do it" for an answer!

Tuesday, June 27, 2006

Back and busier than ever!

Hello. I realize that I have not been the most loyal blogger over the past half a year. Now, I am on a mission to correct that. Surely I can dedicate an occasional half hour a week to post something interesting here, considering that apparently people read this blog! Surprise!

To start things off, I want to post a comment left on this blog. I hope the author, Joey, does not mind. I think it explains the situation clearly. I do not agree with Joey completely, but it still remains a great insight into the industry. Here goes and please comment!

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Hi! It's great that you made a blog for actuaries! I hope your blog gains more attention and gets some traffic from people on the Actuarial Outpost, and from those in finance who are curious about the actuarial profession or vice versa.

Ok I just wanted to give my 2 cents. I was in the same boat as you graduating from college. I majored in actuarial and finance. This is what I have to say. If I could do it all over again, I would not become an actuary. Being out of college and in the corporate world for 5 years, I realize, I think I made a mistake. Nothing against actuaries. It's just that, I decided not to work, and that honestly I just want to get wealthy. Becoming an actuary is not the best way to this goal. But if you want the best bang for your buck, you are going down the right path. If I could do it over again, I would have gone straight to wallstreet, into Ibanking, gotten my cfa, and get the big bonuses. After 5 years out of college, I kinda regret going down the actuarial path. The advantages were the high starting salary, the excellent, almost rediculous quantitative skills you acquire, and stabilty of the actuarial field/demand. Disadvantages: oh boy..there are a lot...you know in the last 4 years I have been pissed off and frustrated because I would be giving up my twenties, my precious youth to study for these focking exams..I live in Chicago..what a great city it is..I look around me. What are people my age doing? Partying, living it up, and of course all while trying to get themselves established..either taking their exams, getting thier JD, MD, ASOA/ACAS, CFA, MBA, etc...studying for exams in these years is NOT the way to live your life. It's sad because I saw a colleague from college, and she was studying for her course 5 at starbucks, like every Friday night...and I'm thinking..God, how sad is that?!!! And another thing is, right now, between SOA and CFA, I would have to say CFA is the much better bank for your buck. You get your CFA (3 years) and your salary pretty much doubles..60-80K maybe more if you have experience in the field. Could you double your salary in 3 years as an actuary? Possibly, but it's gonna be real hard..and you top out at around 100-200K. On the other hand..let's say you're a new CFA, you have 2 years Ibanking experience, and you're 28...by now you should be making 6 figures hopefully..versus if you were an actuary you might have 6-8 exams passed by now or fellowship. But here's the big difference, you're working as an analyst on wallstreet, and you're getting $250,000 - $1 million bonuses EVERY YEAR, ON TOP of your salary. How's that for salary comparison??? I'm 26 now, and the bottom line is, get out of actuarial and go into finance if you want to retire early. How many finance people do you know are loaded and are young, vs actuaries? Yes correct, finance. I know several people retired at 35 from working on wallstreet. I dont know any retired 35 yr old actuaries. Here's what I'm gonna do, and what I would suggest for you. Options trading. I trade options on the side, and my goal is to be a millionaire before I'm 30. I think trading options has the highest potential of getting butt rich in a short amount of time, next to working on wallstreet. But it requires much much education and experience. You have to trade on paper for at least 6 month first, or else I guarantee you will lose every dime the first 2 times you put big money into options. I'm down 60K in options trading as of today, but I'm not worried because I've acquired so much knowledge along the way that I'm confident that I'm close to attaining huge wealth. Being in the stock market day in and day out teaches you a TON about stocks, investing, trading, analysis, and wallstreet. I would recomment you take your first 4 actuarial exams, as this is your math/quant foundation. Then you can go into Wallstreet no problem. I am looking at CFA part 1 right now, I can answer half the questions correctly without even studying. Well, I am creating my own investing blogsite soon..it's gonna be called Followmymoney.com.

I will post my investment transactions in real time and I hopefully it will gain popularity. But I dont have time now..will be a huge project..have to make some money back in the market first...well, please comment back I'd love to hear responses to my post...I know I'm very opinionated..but trust me, my opinion is reality, and working in corporate America for the MAN is reality. Do you really want to see yourself working for 30 years as an actuary for the MAN, or would you rather work on wallstreet for 10 years and retire rich?

Joey T.
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I hope you enjoyed this comment as much as I did. Thanks for your input, Joey!